You know what I wish Bush had said on the Lincoln? Something like this:

" We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We're pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime, who will be held to account for their crimes. We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We're helping to rebuild Iraq, where the dictator built palaces for himself, instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. Then we will leave, and we will leave behind a free Iraq."

Oh, my bad... he did say that.

J.

Two questions my smart assed friend. How do you define, "major combat operations," when there are more people dying today that there were when he made that speech. Also, he have have said all of that, but then that was before Abu Gharib, Abu Gharib II, and the beheading circus had not even gotten started had it... Now screw what he said, and ask the average Iraqi how they feel about this wonderful new country of theirs. You know, the one where the power still does not work. The one where you can be murdered because your name identifies you as a member of a certain sect. The one where a simple trip to the market qualifies you for a t shirt that reads. "I went to the Baghdad Market today, and I survived." It's over dude. Go back and read Wizbang from the Glory days when you guys were getting TV anchormen fired and making fun of John Kerry in Bunny suits, because people like John Cole and the Commissar have come around to reality, while you guys are still trying to spin the unspinnable.

OK, here are a few answers:

1) "Major combat operations" are large-scale, unit-on-unit conflicts. With the utter collapse of the Iraqi military, that pretty much ended those.

2) Abu Ghraib... you seem to forget some rather critical details. Details like: A) it was first reported by the military itself, not uncovered or revealed by a whistleblower; B) the incidents that garnered the most outrage all occurred in a single night; C) Lyndie England was there after sneaking in, in contravention of orders and regulations; D) the US military put the idiots responsible for the abuses in prison, and relieved of command the general who let it happen on her watch.

3) I never once made fun of Kerry in the bunny suit. I thought that was inappropriate; Kerry's wearing of that suit was fully in accordance with the circumstances and a sign of respect that he bowed to their requirements. Yeah, he looked a little funny, but I'd almost give a kidney to get that kind of tour, never mind putting on a silly suit that actually serves a valuable purpose.

4) The "beheading circus" is being perpetrated by the very people you want to grant victory to. I'd rather back the people putting them into their graves.

J.

Like I said, SPIN THE UNSPINNABLE. Like the issue with that piece you wrote about Obama where you tried to make it look like he only "pretended to go to Catholic Church," you still have a problem admitting you are wrong.

1. Major Combat operations may be defined that way in the dictionary, but what our military faces today is a helluva lot more, "MAJOR," than a bunch of pussy Republican Guards running at the first sign of a Abrahms Tank.

2. Yeah and despite plenty of evidence that higher command, the CIA and Halliburton Interrogators were involved the only people to get shit canned were a bunch of dumb assed rednecks.

3. Funny, I don't recall you making that point at the time.

4. I want to grant victory? Eh, like you, I am not fighting in the war, so I don't understand how I could grant anything. I am simply stating the obvious. As I asked you the other day, HOW do you propose we win this. Your response, "We can't afford to lose this." I agree, but then again, I am not doing 15 month tours, losing my wife, or my regular job in the case of guardsmen, or getting fucked over (See Medical Care), by an administration that is BIG on flag waving and slogans, but not very supportive in any meaningful way, of the people doing the bleeding. Sort of like Michelle Malkin, and most of the rest of the Ranting Right, who will rant all night about the troops, but show no indignation at all when it comes to the indignities they suffer.

Eh, and I find it interesting that you just ignored my last point:

"ask the average Iraqi how they feel about this wonderful new country of theirs. You know, the one where the power still does not work. The one where you can be murdered because your name identifies you as a member of a certain sect. The one where a simple trip to the market qualifies you for a t shirt that reads. "I went to the Baghdad Market today, and I survived."

But I am not surprised that you ignored that one. Most of you guys do. I mean after all, this was REALLY never about the Iraqi's in the first place. Oh you said it was, you may have even wanted to believe it was. But it was not. How could it be when you are bombing the hell out of peoples neighborhoods, beating them down, and turning their entire country into a video game worse than DOOM. (At least in DOOM), there are cheat codes and you can go into God Mode.

This shit made a great background during the glory years of the first Bush Administration. Where everything was one big assed photo op, staged by Karl Rove, and the American Flag lapel pin became a fashion statement. That was back in the days where everyone who questioned the war, its reason, its winnability, was a left wing Moonbat, a loony, a conspiracy theorist, yada yada...

Today, no one wants to think about what really happened in Iraq. How it started off as a demonstration of the Awesome Military Might of the United States, and ended up being a symbol of our worst failures.. Worse than Vietnam... A symbol of how arrogance (Refer to Bush's picture on the Abraham Lincoln), stupidity (Refer to Wolfowitz, tens of billions of dollars LOST, or to Bush not realizing that there were two sects of Muslims...), and stubbornness (Refer to Rumfeld, Donald, and ask yourself how much his inflexibility and stupidity cost us in blood and treasure?) And cheerleading by a bunch of overzealous elitist, (See Right Wing Bloggers), who enabled and even encouraged the RAMBO fantasied of a bunch of Neo Cons, who mostly "had other priorities," during Vietnam, and who's children will never serve, but who march the children of others off to the latest IED proving grounds, with no hesitation at all...

Keep on spinning dude, perhaps it makes you sleep better at night. Or maybe... you even believe it. But I have to say, my own position is bolstered by the rational among you, (the aforementioned commissar and John Cole, among others), who have reached the same conclusions, that I came to long ago...

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