David,

Could you do me a favor and send me an email? I'd like to discuss something but not in comments. I was not able to find a contact address, forgive me if I missed it.

Gaius

Well said David.

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"History is written by the victors."

Very true. Judging by your perceptions, or better, gripes and whinings about how this war should play out and who the victors 'should' be because most of us are fatuous fools, you are fluent in Arabic?

Eh Phoenix... I don't really understand your point...
whinings? Just exactly where am I suppossed to be whinning? Speak Arabic? What has my linguistic abilities (I speak several languages by the way), have to do with anything? Oh yeah I get it. I am a terrorist enabler right? Nice retort! You are so smart. I suppose you think the war is going just swimmingly right? Fess up.... You are one of those divorced from reality people John was talking about right?

Maybe I misunderstand what you are trying to say, but my gut reaction is to be pissed off.

First, you have no idea if I'm a Republican or not. I've probably voted for more Democrats than you have.

Second, John Kerry has a HISTORY of disparaging remarks. I disagree with you about his intent. If it was truly a mistake, why didn't he apologize right away instead of the "vast right wing conspiracy" bull@#$%.

Last, you obviously don't know crap about me or how I feel about how the war is conducted. At Blackfive, we HAVE posted about Sadr, Rumsfeld, etc.

I have friends, good friends, right now in the middle of all that Baghdad @#$% right now. I'm waiting for their emails before I post about it. They are sergeants going out on patrols and I value their opinion more than "the Commissar", yours, Derb, or whoever the hell you want to throw in there.

If you've done anything to help our troops other than ranting, I'd like to know about it. Think about supporting Valour-IT:

http://soldiersangels.org/valour/listteams.php

First off, I never said anything specifically about you Blackfive. I simply linked to all the post Left and Right who are addressing the Kerry remarks scandal. Like I said, I don’t know whether he meant it or not. And honestly I don’t give a rats ass. What I am tired of is the constant ranting on the Right that says if you don’t support the Administration policy towards Iraq, you support terrorism, which is bullshit. Likewise you don’t know shit about me.
I have linked to several of your post in the past, including those offering ways to support the troops. AND I am one person who believes we need to stay in Iraq until we clean up the fucking mess we created. So don’t you jump to conclussions either.

Your diatribe is complete nonsense. Where did you obtain such moral and mental superiority that you can not only know what your opinion is, but know that those who disagree with you are not only wrong, but have evil motives?

I disagree with you (and the leftist you side with) that Kerry was talking about President Bush. Nothing in his speach indicated that. President Bush has an education (a better one than Kerry by the way)....so how could he possibly have been talking about the President.

It's pretty clear to me that he meant if you don't get an education you will "get stuck in Iraq"..............disagree if you want to, but impune evil motives to me (as you did) and you'll bet a major verbal ass whipping.....which you deserve.

Bye the way, your tired lie about "not proper body armor" is such garbage. Ask an infantry marine if they have (or had in the March Up) proper body armor.

Okay Milkman, first off, where did I analyze Kerry's remarks and determine his voracity one way or the other.

Secondly, I agree, Bush got the best education his Daddy's money could buy. You can see it every time he speaks... Such eloquence....

On the motives and right or wrong part. As I said, History will judge us all. And on the body armor, I don't need to ask, I have seen the interviews with troops who at one time did not have the proper body armor. But I am sure that YOU have been to Iraq right? I mean you have to be a soldier yourself. You have made the sacrifice, which explains your own moral superiority. Right? Or are you just another chicken hawk that sits behind your computer and threatens to kick people's ass? To quote your President, BRING it ON ! Asshole.

David, like you I'm also sick and tired of all the gratuitous attacks and worthless criticism and second guessing about Iraq, as well as the back-stabbing of our deployed troops.

The troops are there now. No amount of rehashing past debates will change that. Not even your intense hatred and frustration towards Bush or his policies will change that. They are fighting and doing their best, despite carrying the weight of the venomous defeatism of some of the American people as they soldier on.

Their leadership, including Congress, told them to walk out on a limb. Then, when the fight got tough and nasty, some in their leadership and people they depend on for support tried to cut the limb off in a panicked response to political ill winds. That includes geldings such as Frances Fukayama and other "thinkers" who have followed his lead.

Davyboy (all disrespect intended).....I'm 50 years old. Darn, the military won't take me......I better shut up and let chumps like you do all the talking

Can you read? you can write, even though you make no sense. I didn't threaten to "kick your ass", though I'm sure that would be no big challenge........I said "you'll bet (get) a major verbal ass whipping"......which based on your whipish response I guess you wouldn't know one if you got one.

OK Davyboy, you asked "where did I analyze Kerry's remarks and determine his voracity one way or the other?"

ANSWER.....right here "I don't know how most soliders would feel about Kerry's remarks, I am sure most of them, after hearing the whole story..... will accept his explanation and apology"....and right here "No it's far easier to make boogeymen out of those who report the truth about the war"

I didn't think you'd want to ask infantry marines about body armor. I guess you are just too busy sitting behind your computer to bother with the truth. Oh...wait.......you've "seen the interviews with troops".......well, that changes everything doesn't it.

As for President Bush's eloquence and education...Kerry's is so much better isn't it....at least it was better before it wasn't better

Jerk

OK Davyboy, you asked "where did I analyze Kerry's remarks and determine his voracity one way or the other?"

ANSWER.....right here "I don't know how most soliders would feel about Kerry's remarks, I am sure most of them, after hearing the whole story..... will accept his explanation and apology"....and right here "No it's far easier to make boogeymen out of those who report the truth about the war"

I think it is you who needs to learn how to read Milkman. First off, the first comment was about the troops, not me. But I do believe that was Kerry's intent to slam the chimp, not the troops. Second comment refered to the Right constantly getting their panties in a wad about any news that comes out of Iraq that does not talk about "new schools and hospitals." You know, the one's Halliburton built with the $20,000 toilets and what not.

As far as the ass kicking, you are right. I worded that wrong. I knew that you were talking about verbal... But it does not seem that you are up to that task either are you?

As for the armor. I guess you are like Bush, you dont read either huh? It would take five minutes to add 50 links about the shortage of body armor up until about a year ago... So keep denying it all you like. Until we drop over the precipice and become a true Orwellian State, old news articles will not be excised from the public record. Is it East Asia or Oceania that is winning the war? Remind me again?

David, like you I'm also sick and tired of all the gratuitous attacks and worthless criticism and second guessing about Iraq, as well as the back-stabbing of our deployed troops.

Huh?

Eh Jordan... I know it is hard to remember the good ole days when debate and dissent were considered patriotic, but I assure you, they did exist.

I will just say for the record that you are NOT agreeing with me, you are putting, or attempting to put, words in my mouth... I have never attacked our troops. With the exception of those who were not fit to wear the uniform. And I never will.

Defeatist attitude. Well, I am an Oakland Raider fan, always will be. But me sitting in a room with a bunch of people when the score is 45-0 with two minutes to go, and admitting that they need a new coach/new players, whatever, is not being defeatist, it is being realistic.

The Josef Goebbels approach to talking about the war works only for those so far gone as partisans, or so stupid, that they want to believe it. Just as the meme, "Do you want us to win?" is silly, insulting and juvenile. If you take the time to read my Blog, you will see that I have been consistent. I was against the war from day one, I have supported our troops regardless, and I dont agree with pulling out now that we have bombed those people into civil war.

We broke Iraq... We need to fix Iraq. I will never support pulling out of Iraq until that job is done.

Do I hate Bush, no I don't. I am a Christian, I dont hate anyone. Do I think he is a bumbling moron who has ruined our international prestige and led us into a war that has cost us hundreds of billions of dollars, while creating a NEW training ground for Jihadist, you betcha! And his own Generals have stated the same thing, along with the fact that Iraq is "sliding into Chaos." I have to wonder how long that slide is, since Chaos has ruled the day for a couple years now. Maybe they meant "sliding into MORE chaos."

You know what the difference is between a realist and a propagandist? A realist sees the reality of the situation and wants to see a solution. A propagandist makes his own reality, and sticks with it till the bitter end... Sorta like Hitler in the Bunker, demanding that long gone divisions will save the Reich...

I don't need to "google" body armor to find out the truth, my son is a marine, a grunt...0311, two tours, I talk to him and his co workers on a daily basis. I know about the "body armor" issue from a prime source.....DO YOU?'

As for the rest of your comments.......You wiggle as good as Kerry......."I didn't mean that".......when I quote your very words....anyone can scroll up and see that you were refering to the "voracity" of Kerry's comments.

You are one amazing piece of work......calling people "chickenhawk" then playing the "my uncle...my brother....." card, slandering the President and Rumsfeld then claiming you don't hate Bush (WAJ), you use the "Josef Goebbels approach" in your writing while claiming others do...(FYI...that's called hypocrisy), then you play the "I'm a christian" card. And a good example of one you are indeed.

Just out of curiosity, do you know what the word "slander," means?

Also as for this:

As for the rest of your comments.......You wiggle as good as Kerry......."I didn't mean that".......when I quote your very words....anyone can scroll up and see that you were refering to the "voracity" of Kerry's comments.

Now I understand why so many of you guys knew EXACTLY what Kerry meant in his speech. You are mindreaders!

You are one amazing piece of work......calling people "chickenhawk" then playing the "my uncle...my brother....." card, slandering the President and Rumsfeld then claiming you don't hate Bush (WAJ), you use the "Josef Goebbels approach" in your writing while claiming others do...(FYI...that's called hypocrisy), then you play the "I'm a christian" card. And a good example of one you are indeed.

My all these compliments, "fine piece of work, good example of Christianity," are getting to me... When is the verbal asskicking coming. I am getting a bit restless bending over like this, bad knees and all... you understand!

Slander....Defamatory....do you know what that means?

Like when you say we (those who disagree with you) "care less about the fate of our country"

You've got about a dozen slanderous statments in your blog post, and probably a dozen more in your comments (pretty high content for a chritian and a patriot don't you think)

In fact, I've just gone through your post (not your comments, which are worse) and made a list of 21 cases of namecalling, some of which are slanderous (defamatory)

Here's the list..........
1)they have no spine
2)They are people without one ounce of
conscience or character
3)(they)put ideology and party before their
country.
4)care less about the fate of our country
5)disgusting shills
6)rant in fake outrage
7)few of them are willing to make the sacrifice
of going to war themselves. (chickenhawk)
8)perverse use of others service to somehow
justify your own political agenda.
9)those without shame
10)claim to support the troops (but don’t really)
11)those that…..ignore the issues that MATTER to
the troops.
12)betrayed, hoodwinked, deceived (by Bush one
presumes....can you say SLANDER?)
13)those who do not have the balls (such
fighting words....from a good christian
patriot)
14)enablers like conservative bloggers
15)The outrage is all bullshit (we are obviously
liars and phonies)
16)spit on the constitution or something....
Opps... Bush and Gonzalez have already done
that haven't they ... (uh….NO...but that's
not slanderous now is it)
17) abandoning an American Trooper(slur against
Bush/Rumsfeld...and SLANDER, when the news is
full of articles about the lengths the
military and state dept. are going to in
order to rescue this soldier)
18) People who are so terrified of losing power
admit that you have been a shill, ne a whore

19)Pathetic and disingenuous
20)They are collaborators in the destruction of
our American Values.
21)collaborators exposed as such and to have the
digital equivalent of a public square head
shaving, because they are all whores (My
favorite…this after chastising me for
threatening to give him a “mental ass
whipping�….gotta love your "Christian"
values…maybe you attends Westboro Baptist………
after all you are as self righteous as Fred
Phelps)

Now I think I'll go count the cliches you use in your extremely weak writing

Slander

law: defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc. (Source Dictionary.com)

Like I said you mental giant you! Do you know what it means? Obviously you did not. See how many fun things you can learn in Utopia. It's called Libel. And the standard of proving libel against public figures is about as hard as finding WMD's in Iraq!

Next lesson, do a preview before you post. Those ASCII characters look horrible on my blog, you "verbal ass kicking bandido," you! (Grin)!

And by the way, I never said I was a, "chritian." I'm a Christian... As in: of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. Now I can understand how you judge my Christianity. Since I am sure it does not fit your probable view of what a Christian should be.

Now I have some homework for you, if you don't mind. And I am going to be very generous. Go to any of the Top 10 Conservative blogs and show me one that has not used "Defamatory language," against progressives or liberals in... Hmmmm lets say the last 24 hours!

By the way, are you finding the "verbal ass kicking," you are giving me as satisfying as I am?

I thought you said you were a "Cretian"...fits you better than Christian (by anyone's definition) Christ is the truth....you not only don't tell the truth, you act like the pharasee who proclaims his holiness (not like those sinners).

As for the definition of Slander...I guess you forgot to read the first definition on dictionary.com and skipped down to the third definition.....you must think the people who read your blog are as dumb as you and won't check on you

Here's the definition

slan‧der  /ˈsl�ndər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[slan-der] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

�noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
�verb (used with object)

The definition I used was first. Can you tell the class what that means? That's right, it's the most common usage of the word. Good lesson class

As for messing up your website with symbols and whatever.......if your lies and slanders don't mess it up, a few symbols won't hurt any. Besides, I guess old dumb me just cant sit all day at my computer figuring out how the thing works like you can. I guess since you can't teach anyone anything about verbal ass whippings or the truth about Iraq, maybe you could give computer lessons

Wrong, Slander in modern times is used to define a verbal attack or comment without merit,and Libel a written one. You get an "A" for Reading and an "F" for comprehension. And I am still waiting for the first blow on the verbal ass whipping, if this is the best you can do, I suggest you retire, and go tell everyone how you "whupped my ass," there are a few on your side, who JUST might believe it.

Now... have you done your homework?

How many "slanders," did you find on the Right? Not counting your own of course.

Oh yeah, and one more thing. On the symbols, I could care less, it only makes what is already nearly unreadable, completely so. Hehe.. I have to give you credit though milkman, you are persistent if nothing else. Anyone else would have realized that they are not up to the challenge of this discussion and retired by now, or at least started their own blog, but I have found that the most obsessive trolls are always the ones who hide behind nicknames and don't have the stones to run their own blog.

late to post... (always ends up that way when you are actually posting from Iraq), but I do want to add my opinion. I'm on the front line, I go out into Indian country daily, I'm not a FOBbit. In total, I have already spent 2 years of my life in Iraq. I've seen a lot of great progress and a lot of bumbling failures. I'm not a Republican, I'm a libertarian. I know based on my work and personal experience that there is an ongoing global war that the US is unprepared to recognize and too unconcerned to deal with. I know that things are going to get a lot worse before they get better because civilians in the US love putting their heads in the sand. Okay, those are my credentials, this is my opinion:

Every single soldier I have spoken with out here in the last 2 days has heard this story; and I have yet to find one that didn't think Senator Kerry wasn't referring to them. Personally, I fail to see how any reading of his speech can indicate anything other than an outward projection of his historically significant anti-military bias.

Even in the event that it was a joke about President Bush, it was still a joke done at the expense of our military. How can that not be more obvious? It doesn't matter what his intention was, he presented his opinion on the universal set of 'being stuck in Iraq' and that certainly includes all deployed members of the US Armed Forces.

And this goes even more to the heart of the matter; which is why, yes my opinion is that only Republicans can currently be trusted to prosecute the Global War on Terror.

If you truly feel that we can't leave Iraq until it has been stabilized, then it is intellectually dishonest for you to support the democratic position as you appear to be doing. They have avoided any attempt to offer solutions to Iraq other than leaving as soon as possible. Do you think that will fix this?

The reason conservative media is so easily able to perpetuate the meme that democratic policy makers are terrorist enablers.... is because of the actions that they take on a daily basis. Conservatives don't have to do anything but point them out. Senator Kerry is just the latest gaffe in a long list extending back to the day we started debating this front in the war. Sadly, he won't be the last.

Chupa, I respect your opinion. And I can not argue with someone who is in Iraq about the perceptions of the troops. I can only say that I do not agree that only Republicans can be trusted to keep America safe and execute an effective war on terror. They have done a pretty shitty job of it so far, and fear mongering is not the answer.

I'm a Marine and I returned from Iraq two months ago. I've seen first hand what's happening there and people like you and JK don't have a clue. War is not an exact science where all outcomes are predicted like JK would like us to believe ("We must fight a smarter war"). Yeah...right. As an active duty military member I'm highly insulted by John Kerry and those of his ilk (which seem to be liberals and Democrats that make up the majority). But then again, I shouldn't be insulted, I'm too dumb to know any better, and most of you people would agree. Those of you who defend him and throw around his phoney non-apology can kiss my ass!

Mr. Anderson,
I also just got back from the Persian Gulf area a few months ago. I spent the time floating around on small boats and interacting with the locals on a daily basis. I mention this only to establish my credentials. I have read the transcript of JK's remarks and seen some of the clips. I do not react quickly to situations such as this, however, given JK's history (from winter soldier to present) I find his explanations and excuses nonplausible. His track record, and as his party's candidate in the last presidential election it is relevant, is in keeping with the leadership of his party in their regular slams against the military and an apparent belief in their own superiority. I have no love for their primary opposition (the Republician party) but on the national level I truly believe, and my experience validates, exactly what Chupa said above. The modern Democrat Party is not interested in defending American interests. They appear to only be interested in defeating the Republicans so they can regain power and are smug in thier obvious superiority (I call it arrogance) when it comes to dealing with the general populace. They can take me for granted if they want, but if they want my vote, and the votes of my family and friends, they need to wake up, open thier eyes, and present a plan to deal with Islam and other global interests that does not involve running away and proving that America is a paper tiger.

William
(Chupa, Keep the faith and stay low.)

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