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« My Position on Political Issues - Updated | Main | Hypocrisy Defined.... » June 07, 2006
The Hate Debate
This woman is about as Crazy as they get... I am so glad the 9/11 widdows answered her. Update: The Captain replies to Coulter's tirade, and it is a great read: ...impugning the grief felt by 9/11 widows regardless of their politics is nothing short of despicable. It denies them their humanity and disregards the very public and horrific nature of their spouses' deaths. The attacks motivated a lot of us to become more active in politics in order to make sure our voices contribute to the debate, and it is impossible to argue that the 9/11 widows (and widowers, and children, and parents) have less standing to opine on foreign policy than Ann Coulter or Ted Rall. Posted by David A at June 7, 2006 01:39 PM
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I didn't even have to click the link to know that the response you were talking about came from Kristin Breitweiser, which is exactly who Ann Coulter was talking about. Sorry dude, but whenever the media wanted a Bush bashing 9-11 widow, Kristin has been front and center. She's not quite as batty as Cindy Sheehan (Oops- sorry can't talk bad about the media whore- oops- media darling- because she lost a son in Iraq, and by God, you can't even dispute the politics of a woman who lost her son to an illegal, immoral war- even when she's kissing up to Hugo Chavez and staging photos for Vanity Fair, while at the same time forgetting to choose a headstone for her son's grave) but Brietweiser as the darling of the media and 9-11, stay at home mom, Kerry campaigning, foreign policy expert did become tiresome at a time when a majority of the 9-11 families were supportive of the President. By the way- the five women in Breitweisers "organization" are exactly the people Coulter is talking about- the group that campaigned for John Kerry and appeared on news shows pretending to represent all of the 9-11 families, which they did not. And yeah- Coulter is awfully (a carefully chosen word) brash about how she puts things, but she is right- why do you think the left is so happy to trot Brietweiser and Cindy Sheehan. Because you aren't allowed to argue with their "moral authority" due to their loss- no matter how wrong they may be on the policy issue of the day they may be speaking about- if you disagree with them, you are questioning their grief. Posted by: Marty at June 7, 2006 03:09 PM By the way- I don't think that Brietweiser's group or the Cindy Sheehans of the world should be silenced by any means. I do however reserve my right to respectfully say that they are wrong on so many issues without being deemed "insensitive" to their loss. Obviously Coulter has no such concern. Posted by: Marty at June 7, 2006 03:26 PM Obviously, you are further RIGHT than I thought. I am not going to bother to comment further, I will for once, let a Right Winger speak for me, and Captain Ed did a good job of it. Posted by: David Scott Anderson I'm further right in what sense? That the substance of Coulter's statement made some sense to me in spite of her completely classless way of conveying it? I don't disagree with Captain Ed at all- Coulter is inherently acidic- he's right that she seems to have become our version of Ted Rall (though I would say she's much more like Bill Maher or Al Franken) at times- and probabaly owes the vast majority of the 9-11 families an apology, because of her thoughtless and unnecessarily offensive use of the language and her generalities that didn't focus on who and what she was really talking about. My frustration with the Kristin Breitweisers and Cindy Sheehans of the world is that they purport to represent everybody in their situation of loss and pretend to speak the entirety of their group (Iraq war families or 9-11 families) which they do not. Especially Cindy Sheehan, who most military folks can't stand. In fact, it's also frustrating that the media is so in love with Ann Coulter- because she is not speaking for all conservatives either- but it sure gets played that way. And she'll always give you something to talk about at the water cooler. Maybe I should call her the Howard Stern or the David Blaine of the Right. Posted by: Marty at June 7, 2006 04:43 PM Here- Ace says it even better than the Captain: Posted by: Marty at June 7, 2006 05:04 PM Dude, have you read my opinion of Cindy Sheehan? Perhaps you should. But this is what you said: And yeah- Coulter is awfully (a carefully chosen word) brash about how she puts things, but she is right- why do you think the left is so happy to trot Brietweiser and Cindy Sheehan. Because you aren't allowed to argue with their "moral authority" due to their loss- no matter how wrong they may be on the policy issue of the day they may be speaking about- if you disagree with them, you are questioning their grief. You can certainly argue with the political point of view of anyone. But saying that someone is enjoying the celebrity of being a widow is not only sick, it's stupid. You guys are hilarious at times with your hypocrisy. When it comes to making your political points, you will defend the "superiority of swift boat vets," because of their suppossed experience, and then condemn someone else for it. Well tell you what Marty. I love you Bro. You are an accomplished individual whom I respect on many levels, but you have drank so much of the Cool Aide, that you dont even know the color of your tongue anymore. Your write a piece agreeing with Coulter, and then when your conservative bretheren strike it down, you turn your whole point of view around. I may quite possibly be wrong on a lot of things, but I am consistent, and I at least can state my own points of view (Many of them in contrast or dissagreement with my Progressive Sisters and Brothers) without waiting to see what the Big Progressive Blogs have to say, before shaping my own opinion. Posted by: David Scott Anderson Uh- David? I haven't changed my point of view at all. I have never been a fan of Coulter's flamethrower in the refinery style, but I still think that she was right on that one particular narrowly defined point in spite of the awful (there's that carefully chosen word again) way she said it. In other words I don't think a single one of the 9-11 widows would prefer their current status over their pre-9-11 life. I'm sure they would gladly give back all of the money and attention they have received to have their families intact. My view that the reason that a group of five out of the thousands of people who lost loved ones on 9-11 get so much air time (actually only one- Mrs. Brietweiser- who can spit out Democratic talking points in her many Larry King and Today Show appearances with the best of them) and why Cindy Sheehan got so much play is because they were anti-Bush. They are the "dirty laundry" that Don Henley sang about. But they were also "irrefutable" to some because of their loss. Do I begrudge them for becoming politically active? No. But I also won't be told by the left (and I'm not talking about you specifically) that I can't refute or disagree with them because of their tragic loss. And I also believe the air time they received was enhanced by their "outspoken," celebrity, Democrat supporting, victim status. Is that wrong? Well no- plenty of people turn their tragedy around to become advocates for a cause, but when that cause becomes less a focussed cause and more of a basking in celebrity and venturing into political realms unrelated to their loss or using their loss to stretch out their 15 minutes of fame and hobknob with celebrities, then I become less reverent. But look- I don't have to like Ann Coulter to agree with some of what she says. Just as you probably agree with things that Cindy Sheehan says while at the same time you think very little of her. Besides- your view of Cindy Sheehan has evolved over time- I think if you go back a little farther, you'll find that you were one of her champions when she was sitting on that little dirt road in Crawford before many realized she having a little too much fun basking in the glow of celebrity and sucking up to leftist dictators. Posted by: Marty at June 8, 2006 06:05 AM I dont think there is anything wrong with dissagreeing with anyone. Have you considered that some of the survivors of 9/11 dont want to talk to the media. Who knows why this particular group gets the most airplay, and who cares. They, like the Swiftboat clowns have something to say, they were given that opportunity due to the percieved perspective their personal experience gives them. Would you be just as adamant if they were Pro Bush and Pro War? I dont think so. Posted by: David Scott Anderson Post a comment
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