Haven't seen it all yet, but it looks like it's being shredded as thoroughly as Fahrenheit 9/11 was. A lot of praise is being given to http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ for exceptionally good work.

J.

Its an amazing film. But like I said, I just can't believe it.

Well I just finished watching the whole thing, and it asks some serious questions that NEED to be asked. Jesus, its scary watching this movie. Watch the whole thing Jay.

Ask me three of your favorite questions, David, and I'll see about answering them.

I have three questions of my own I'd like to ask Hillary Clinton if/when she runs for president:

1) How the hell did the FBI records of about 900 PEOPLE end up being delivered to the White House Quarters, and where did they hide themselves for three years before mysteriously turning up on a coffee table? Are you just that sloppy a housekeeper?

2) Why did you not continue to invest in cattle futures, after your first adventure turned $1,000 into $100,000? Did the guy from Tyson who covered your losses and passed along your winnings tell you it was a one-time deal?

3) Name three accomplishments of your own from before 2000 that can not be attributed to your husband's political career.

I'm just not one for conspiracy theories, David. Way, way too many of 'em are the product of idiots, lunatics, and nutcases with political agendas -- or some combination thereof.

J.

OK, David, I watched a little, and the theory seems to be that the WTC and the Pentagon were NOT hit by airliners. We KNOW that three airliners took off from Newark and Logan, filled with people. We also know that not one passenger or crew member has turned up alive since then. Where the fuck are they if they didn't crash into those buildings? And what would be the POINT of faking the plane crashes? Save the planes and quietly kill off the passengers? If you're willing to kill a couple thousand people and take out several buildings, why get squeamish about three airliners and a couple hundred more people? Especially when if ANY trace of those people or planes later turns up?

The conspirators within the government are, apparently, incredibly brilliant and diabolically evil, yet also amazingly stupid and soft-hearted. How they pull off this amazing dichotomy is beyond me.

Another point: why did people constantly discuss the WTC as a potential terrorist target before 9/11? How about that little-known incident back in 1993, when Al Qaeda FIRST tried to knock 'em down?

Well, I tend to shy away from conspiracy theories, so like I said in the begining, I cant believe it, my point on the questions needing to be asked is simple, there are a lot of strange points in the movie that if true, deserve investigation. The hole in the Pentagon, the missing aircraft parts, the missing film from the gas station, etc. etc. If true, those things are strange... Don't you agree?

I'll keep going: where did the plane that hit the Pentagon disappear to? Well, an airliner is essentially a big hollow tube, with wings full of stuff that burns incredibly hot and two very dense engines. Fly something like that into a VERY heavily reinforced building at 500+ miles an hour, and it's going to shred itself into tiny little bits. Those engines will keep moving, and quite likely go right through most of the building -- one of 'em was found intact in the rubble.

I'm no physicist, but guesstimating the weight of the plane at time of impact at 200,000 lbs (100 tons) and the impact speed at 500MPH, we're talking some HUGE energy being unleashed. And I saw the time on Mythbusters they played with an airliner fuselage -- they are simply NOT that strong.

The collapse of the buildings being vertical -- from the site I linked to:

One thing they can't explain is, how else is a building supposed to collapse? Straight up? Sideways? Spin around a few times and topple over like a Kennedy after a cocktail party? Well they can't answer it, but there is one person who can, MIT engineering professor Dr. Thomas Eagar for the PBS Nova show titled "Why the Towers Fell?"

NOVA: The Twin Towers collapsed essentially straight down. Was there any chance they could have tipped over?

Eagar: It's really not possible in this case. In our normal experience, we deal with small things, say, a glass of water, that might tip over, and we don't realize how far something has to tip proportional to its base. The base of the World Trade Center was 208 feet on a side, and that means it would have had to have tipped at least 100 feet to one side in order to move its center of gravity from the center of the building out beyond its base. That would have been a tremendous amount of bending. In a building that is mostly air, as the World Trade Center was, there would have been buckling columns, and it would have come straight down before it ever tipped over.Have you ever seen the demolition of buildings? They blow them up, and they implode. Well, I once asked demolition experts, "How do you get it to implode and not fall outward?" They said, "Oh, it's really how you time and place the explosives." I always accepted that answer, until the World Trade Center, when I thought about it myself. And that's not the correct answer. The correct answer is, there's no other way for them to go but down. They're too big. With anything that massive -- each of the World Trade Center towers weighed half a million tons -- there's nothing that can exert a big enough force to push it sideways.

The second tower hit collapsed first: no duh. It was hit lower than the first tower. That means that it had considerably MORE weight pressing down on the damaged section than the other tower. Also, as I recall, that plane hit at an angle, spreading the damage over more floors of the building. It was a considerably more damaging hit than the first tower.

OK, I just watched the bit about the 2nd impact, and I was right, and he flat-out lies on stuff. He says the plane hit the 78th to 82nd floors, meaning that it hit five floors. And he says that it "barely hit the corner." According to the footage showing when he says that, the plane directly slams into the building. It's a little off-center from the face, but all but possibly a little bit of wingtip actually hits the buildings.

This is quite possibly grossly extrapolated, but I've worked with cardboard boxes. Punching holes in the center of the faces does little. Damage them on an edge, though, and you do far more to compromise their structural integrity. That off-center hit might have done more damage than a bullseye.

I can't watch any more tonight. It makes me sick to see that footage over and over, combined with this asshole's rantings. I dunno if he's stupid, paranoid, or agenda-driven, but he's more full of shit than anyone since Michael Moore.

J.

where did you find this rubbish from.

Did anyone can say explosives or thermite???
BTW, Jay, u are so full of shit...so watch were ur walking
Wake up people or die like slaves

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