Because we ain't dealing with frigging boy scouts, David. No torture? OK. But unpleasant measures that fall short of it? I got no problems with "humiliating" and "degrading," and can even sign on to certain levels of "cruel," if it means saving innocent lives.

We aren't fighting people that follow the Geneva Convention, or any other rules of civilized behavior. If we handcuff ourselves as far as you seem to endorse, we are pretty much doomed.

I got problems with that.

J.

Okay Jay, but do you not feel that at least there should be congressional oversight? (And not just GOP oversight)? And I assume that you feel based on your comments that the means justify the ends, so if some innocents are abused its okay, as long as it keeps us safe?

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