Well, if you'd read the whole post you would have realized that I'm not supporting torture, but rather legislation that so loosely defines torture that it will paralyze the intelligence community.

I want interrogators to have certain techniques open to them without fear of repriasal from Senators with partisan axs to grind. Certain coercion techniques like loud music and temperature changes can be employed to great effect.

The question is where do you draw the line Rob, and there is no proof that that form of "torture," works any more effectively than any of the more extreme methods. I just doesn't work.

Police routinely coercion tactics to great effect with suspects and prisoners. Making rooms uncomfortably warm or cold, startling subjects with sudden loud noises. Granted, terror interrogators take it a step farther with the sleep deprivation and continuous loud music, but I still don't think you can consider those measures "torture" and interrogation experts are convinced that they work.

That's enough for me.

As for where we draw the line, that's a tough issue. If we're going to draw a line (and I'm not neccessarily against it), I don't want it to be as lossely defined as McCain is proposing.

Well I trust someone like McCain who actually has been through combat and torture to define it better than the people making the decisions right now. So I guess we will have to agree to dissagree.

Fair enough, though I wonder how far McCain has thought this through. I mean, I agree with him that torture doesn't do us much good, I just don't like how he's going about stopping it.

I dont think he has much choice. The administration is not making discussing the issue very easy or transparent.

Well, I don't think the Bush administration controls debate on the floor of the Senate, but their point in opposing McCain's legislation is a good one.

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