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November 02, 2005
The Nazi Meme

From Balloon Juice:

The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents.

The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.

Makes one wonder why some Right Wingers get all foamy at the mouth at comparisons to Nazism? I mean other than Bush Cronies who benefit from "assummed innocence," anyone else is fair game for the ole' Gulag treatment.

Of course our history is filled with CIA dirty work. Living in Latin America, I have a unique historical perspective of it. Death Squads, dissapearances, torture.... Nothing new in our long battle against "tyranny."

Posted by David A at November 2, 2005 11:27 AM
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David, should the law governing the detainment of these prisoners fall under American law, though they're not Americans, or under the Geneva conventions, though they're not enemy combatants by Geneva standards?

Posted by: BoDiddly at November 2, 2005 01:02 PM

Bo I think you are missing the point. The point is not one of law, but American principles, something which seems to have been lost. How many stories need to appear of abuses at these "discreet" locations. How many innocents are being held with no due process of any kind, American or International.

Posted by: David Anderson at November 2, 2005 01:06 PM

Makes one wonder why some Right Wingers get all foamy at the mouth at comparisons to Nazism? I mean other than Bush Cronies who benefit from "assummed innocence," anyone else is fair game for the ole' Gulag treatment.

Maybe because it wasn't the Nazis who ran the Gulags, but the Communists?

The Nazis hated the Communists, and vice versa. Might be nice to keep your analogies straight.

Posted by: Don at November 2, 2005 02:02 PM

Well Don buddy, I am sure you know that I know the difference, but concentration camps seemed a bit extreme for what we know at the moment, so I did not take the Meme to that concussion. I am well aware of what a Gulag is, have read SOLZHENITSYN, and having likewise read the post Soviet era reports of Soviet totalitarianism. I am also aware of what fascism is, and what we have become is a closeted fascist state that puts up with human rights abuses in the name of State Security.
It might be nice if you would not take one word from a post and try to discredit it based on semantics, rather than the ideas expressed, but then again, I have come to expect that level of discourse from those who would defend that which is indefensible.

Posted by: David Anderson at November 2, 2005 02:15 PM

You know what, I have appologize Don. I just saw your most recent post at your blog, and you are not the foaming at the mouth type. Good post...

Posted by: David Anderson at November 2, 2005 02:28 PM

De Nada. I do try to keep the foaming to a minimum.

Posted by: Don at November 2, 2005 02:35 PM

I don't mean to be excessively snarky, David, but "due process" of what exactly? Under what legal process should illegal combatants fall? There is no over-reaching international legal standard, nor is there any extention of American Law or the Geneva Convention that would cover them.

Posted by: BoDiddly at November 3, 2005 11:26 AM

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