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« Smear Campaign? Who smeared who? | Main | Another Coup for Grupo Utopia » July 19, 2005
Pick your cotton?
Last Update to this thread, see my post here. I ask ALL decent members of the blogsphere to condemn this hate speech by Paul of Wizbang, disguised as some sort of sick satire. I especially beseech those decent conservatives I know to provide feedback on this post, and to demonstrate once and for all, that this type of speech is unwelcome as part of our political discourse! Dear Paul: I hope that EVERY blogger of conscience condemns your actions today as the disgusting dribbling of a racist idiot, as they are. You are a disgusting coward who would not dare utter those words, satire or no, in the presence of black people, or for that matter, decent people of any race or creed. So picking your cotton is out of the question, but god help you if you ever make the mistake of spouting your childish and racist ideology in public. The Reid Report has a much more logical response to Paul, than I ever could write. Fact of the matter is, I can barely contain my anger. Update: Forrest Gump has responded. Earth to Paul. I disagree with Ebonics as much as you do. But I am not using stereotypes like cotton picking am I? Your conclusions about Ebonics are correct, your way of getting there is hateful, insensitive and racist. If you think using racial stereotypes like cotton picking is OKAY, you are more stupid that I already assumed you were. And let me add Yellow Elephant to this post, because my ignorant friend, you would be shitting your pants if you walked into a black area of any major city, and were pointed out as a person who wrote something like this. But that is the benefit to blogging anonymously on someone else's dime isn't it. You can say the most ignorant shit, and know that you wont be held accountable for it outside the echo chamber of your own little racist world.
So I wake up this morning to various attacks from the right wing, including this brilliant ode to irrationality: This person, whoever he is, is an idiot. Rather than reflect on the similarities of the argument for the incomprehensible illiteracy called "ebonics" and the arguments of decades past about the futility of trying to educate blacks, he attacks the man who dared to introduce such a "hateful" subject. But perhaps he's a racist himself. Being black, he'd be one of the "victimist" sort, but really, one collectivist perversion is quite as good as another. First off, I have to admit, that I don't even know why I am justifying this post. As I said above. I agree that Ebonics is a STUPID idea. BUT, and this is a big but, Paul has absolutely NO Cred whatsoever with being concerned about the welfare of inner city of black youth. I challenge anyone to show me ONE piece that Paul has penned, that demonstrates such concern. Even this one is simply another attempt by him to attack Liberal ideas. I found his post odious for a variety of reasons. As others have stated, he could have simply stated the facts in the case and made the point that this is a stupid idea. It was not necessary to resort to stereotypes and inflammatory comments like the "pick my cotton," line. I am not surprised at all, by the vicious response by conservatives to my post. Nor am I surprised by Marty's apologist stance for Paul's post. The fact is that the post was in very poor taste. For all the rabid dogs who posted insulting comments, they are like water off a ducks back. You have only exposed your own ignorance and racism. I deleted a couple of comments, including one that suggested that my children would be perfect for picking cotton. Of course these comments came from cowards who would never use a real email address. Paul is a racist, he has demonstrated it in previous post on Wizbang, that were... Shall we say, not so blatant. But more significantly, he is a political hack who has ZERO concern for anything other than making a partisan point. And to Marty, who just posted another comment on the subject. I am on the same Page too Marty, when it comes to Ebonics. I just don't think it is necessary or productive to use hateful satire to make the point. What I find most interesting is that I have been called Nigger once in comments this morning, and had it suggested that my children be sent to the cotton fields. You as a fellow black man have found no offense in that. I guess to some conservatives, being conservative is much more important than being an American, or being sensitive to the racism of fellow conservatives.
Posted by David A at July 19, 2005 12:33 AM
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Dear Sir. I see where your point is coming from, given the rather harsh wording of Wizbang's post. However the message should clearly be read to reflect the exact opposite of what he literally wrote. That's satire. The point is that the California prof who is advocating Ebonics in the classroom, is essentially acknowledging that Blacks are too stupid for English. While Wizbang's post reads fairly harshly, he is illustrating how absolutely ridiculous the idea of sanctioning ebonics in the classroom is. Good day. Posted by: The Powers That Be at July 19, 2005 01:05 AM There is NO excuse for that kind of satire, and the picking cotton comment reflects his true feelings. I am not even going to bother arguing ANY defense of that post. I am a black man, and I find it very offensive! Posted by: David Anderson at July 19, 2005 01:15 AM I can see where you're coming from, but as Wizbang points out in the follow up, the California Prof is the one saying Blacks are too stupid for English...It's just being hidden behind liberal psychosocial BS language. I assume the author of the Wizbang post used the harsh language to hammer this point home. Posted by: The Powers That Be at July 19, 2005 01:38 AM It's just really bad satire. It would be a lot funnier and much more effective if he had been a little more creative and made his point without invoking America's greatest source of shame. The fact that he didn't do it right suggests that he was either too lazy to give it the proper amount of effort or he's too bigoted to care. Posted by: patriotboy at July 19, 2005 02:02 AM If it's "Operation Yellow Elephant," why do you talk about Paul "shitting his pants" and "ignorant shit?" Wouldn't that make it "Operation Brown Elephant?" And I had no idea that my colleague Paul was such an important person. He's bumped your demand for Karl Rove's resignation right off the highly-coveted "sticky post" position. He must really be something, to outweigh the man known as "the Architect" and "Bush's Brain." Others might say that you saw that the anti-Rove jihad was crumbling and you jumped at the chance to bail out from your position, but I think they're just being cynical. "Paul" is a much greater threat to freedom and liberty than Karl Rove could ever be. And yes, to make it abundantly clear: I am mocking you. I don't want there to be any chance of misunderstanding. Posted by: Jay Tea at July 19, 2005 06:17 AM I'm thinking you need to get over yourself, David. Paul makes an excellent point. Posted by: Chris Short at July 19, 2005 06:32 AM You're a little too narrow in your thinking, Chris. I think we ALL need to get over David. J. Posted by: Jay Tea at July 19, 2005 06:59 AM Sticky Post... Will remain at the top for the next few days, as an example of the kind of ignorance and stupidity that has invaded the blogsphere! Don't be so hard on yourself, man. Posted by: Chadster at July 19, 2005 07:45 AM David, Anyway, I posted WIZBANGs article on DailyKOS...let the fireworks begin! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/19/84552/8901 Truly Xenophobic, NO satire there...and, I understand and know satire when I read or hear it. Posted by: Sinequanon at July 19, 2005 07:54 AM Hey Chadster, Been waiting for you to show up...and admit I'm a little slow on the uptake about your Underpants remark a couple weeks ago. FROM: Punch Me, Bare Naked Ladies, "I made you say Underwear" good song Posted by: Sinequanon at July 19, 2005 07:57 AM He called it "satire", but the title of his post is basically the attitude of the Oh-So-Wise School Board. An educational institution is supposed to teach kids to think. This idiocy doesn't exactly instill confidence in The System. Posted by: gus3 at July 19, 2005 09:58 AM David- I think that sometimes you just want to be offended by Paul, and I think sometimes Paul writes stuff just to see what kind of reaction he can get out of you. I was quite taken aback when I first read the headline until I realized that he was talking about the Ebonics thing. Then I realized immediately that it was satirical, confirmed when I got to the bottom. Then I thought to myself, "David is going to have a cow over this one..." As a black man, I could have written a similar post with my opinion of teaching Ebonics (except for the "cotton" line (that was a little over the top.) If I were Paul, I might have finished with, "I say we keep them stupid. If not how will we get them to keep voting Democrat?" I do find it interesting that Sinequanon's copying Paul's post over at Kos has generated a more vigorous discussion about Ebonics than about Paul or Wizbang. (I think that was the point of Paul's post, David. Maybe you should think about discussing that.) Posted by: Marty at July 19, 2005 10:33 AM Earn some humor assclown. Posted by: Gabriel Chapman at July 19, 2005 10:52 AM Reid has altered his post you reference and adds this comment to Paul's thread... Posted by: Marty at July 19, 2005 11:04 AM So, that's what passes for right wing satire? If he thinks the black people are victims of a foolish policy being introduced by foolish people, why not ridicule the policy maker instead of the victims of the policy? As Marty indicated, it's a little over the top, and it appears as if it is written in part to get your goat. Don't let him get your goat, David. There's no telling what a Whizbanger will do to a goat.... Posted by: zencomix at July 19, 2005 11:18 AM Between you and oliver willis, I can't decide who is the greater obese, fool. This week, I believe it's your turn, fat-ass. Posted by: gbp at July 19, 2005 11:18 AM "you would be shitting your pants if you walked into a black area of any major city..." I may be wrong, but I read this to mean he would be terrified from the physical danger he would face. Ummm, so are you saying that when someone uses some words, black people are helpless to respond in any other way than physical violence? Seems like a rather low opinion of them. That hasn't been my personal experience, but you seem to be so agitated over the issue that I can't help but feel you must know something I don't. I guess I'll just have to take your word for it, and say thank you, for the warning not to go to black areas. Your concern for your fellow white males and keeping the white race strong and separate from blacks demonstrates a concern for our society that has almost disappeared in this new century. Bravely soldier on, man. Bravely soldier on. Posted by: Lord Floppington at July 19, 2005 11:19 AM Oh, and by the way, I would NEVER ask you pick my cotton, if no other reason then the fact that I seriously doubt you would be able to bend over and pick cotton. At least without a stroke. Posted by: gbp at July 19, 2005 11:21 AM gbp- That is messed up.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/18/aka-lets-make-our-kids-dumber/ Posted by: Marty at July 19, 2005 11:35 AM Lord whatever, why dont you try going into a jewish area, stand on a street corner and scream, "Hitler was right!" Or a Latino Area and say, "All of you wetbacks need to go home." Dont try to deflect the issue. Posted by: David Anderson at July 19, 2005 11:36 AM "If he thinks the black people are victims of a foolish policy being introduced by foolish people, why not ridicule the policy maker instead of the victims of the policy?" zen, As a writer of cartoons and satire yourself, you should realize that is exactly what he did. He was putting words in the mouths of the people implementing the stupid policy. Just as you put words in the mouths of the politicians you lampoon. Its irony. (He just doesn't draw pictures to go along with it.) Posted by: Marty at July 19, 2005 11:47 AM That guy is still around? I thought he crawled back under his rock at some point. Personally, I'd rather claw my own eyes out than subject myself to the stereotypical testosterone-driven Super!Conservative! drivel that guy puts out. How can you take some guy like that seriously? He himself is a parody of guys like Rush Limbaugh. Posted by: mac at July 19, 2005 12:10 PM Oh my, I'm so offended! I'm getting the vapors... Gob-smackingly vile it is! However, I do see a particle of truth in Paul's post. I've even heard that almost half da black population of America is (be) below average intelligence. Let me axe you dis, can dat be true? Posted by: Kingslasher at July 19, 2005 01:23 PM David -- Overall, I think this was a good object lesson in American race relations: the blogosphere is a great safety valve for white folks to make their points about race in as vivid a manner as they'd like, "niggers", cotton and all. But would they say some sh*t like "I've even heard that almost half da black population of America is (be) below average intelligence. Let me axe you dis, can dat be true?" in front of some actual Black people? Not without a police escort. Posted by: ReidBlog at July 19, 2005 01:45 PM "He was putting words in the mouths of the people implementing the stupid policy." Marty, he was writing in the first person. He was using the word "I". He wasn't putting those words into the mouths of the people making the policy. If he did, he would have used the third person. It probably would have worked alot better as satire if he did, and readers wouldn't have to be told it was satire to know that it was satire. Posted by: zencomix at July 19, 2005 01:45 PM So Reidblog, do you contend that my statement was an insult to the black population of America? Or was it the unauthorized use of ebonics? Posted by: Kingslasher at July 19, 2005 02:02 PM Uh- David. If you think I took no offense at some of the insults that have been hurled you, you are quite wrong- I think the personal attacks on you are bull as well the racial tone and use of language, but I assumed that you could handle that BS yourself. Don't confuse my lack of using stronger language with gbp with a lack of disgust to what was written. I'm trying to keep what I write clean for some of the other people in my home that keep finding things I write on the internet. If I had responded any further, it would have deteriorated quickly. Finally, if you want to call me out for being an "apologist" for Paul's post, feel free. It's your blog, but please understand this. My bigger point was that you waste an inordinant amount of energy letting Paul get under your skin. While I understood the intent of his post, as usual, Paul doesn't know exactly when to cut himself when his one track brain starts going. Yeah- I found the "pick my cotton" line offensive and it was meant to be offensive. Just like I find this damn teaching Ebonics things offensive to my sensibilities of what is the right and wrong way to teach our children. I took in the context of what it was. Just like I can put things on Chappelles Show, SNL, or zencomix's stuff in context. But please- taking your Karl Rove sticky post down for Paul? You make him just too dang important for the little influence he has in teh world. And you make yourself too damn important with the sticky post idea. Unless you were just looking for an excuse to not pull an Oliver (Did Brit Hume ever resign?), you gotta stop being so obsessed with what Paul writes. You know that he wrote that last line just to drive you up the wall. Mission accomplished! Posted by: Marty at July 19, 2005 02:26 PM Marty, you are right, and I am sorry. You are the last person I should be fighting with on this. And the Rove thing was satire, but not the kind that offends a whole race, unless conservatives have mutated into one, which is possible. hehe... I am not done with Rove yet, and wont be until we see what happens with the case, but you are right, I gave lord Fartroy too much influence over my thought process, and for that I feel bad. Posted by: David Anderson at July 19, 2005 02:48 PM If you folks spent half the time actually fighting against stupid liberal policy that hurts minorities; as you do screaming about others pointing out bad policy, then you might actually find yourselves relevant again in American politics. This was just an example of particularly biting satire. If it seems over-the-top to you it is probably because people are trying to shock the public out of the PC lexicon of American discourse. You better take some nerve pills because things might start to seem a little rude to your oversensitized ears. Check out comedy central's "Mind of Mancia" sometime for a particularly good example of what's instore for you. Posted by: Independent at July 19, 2005 06:13 PM Or maybe it is just a childish Moron trying to get attention. Which he did, to my regret. Posted by: David Anderson at July 19, 2005 06:31 PM Paul is a racist. Why did he call you boy? "That boy just ain't right." Posted by: Ron Brynaert at July 25, 2005 12:52 PM well...just in case in gets deleted...I'm crossposting the comment I left at Wizbang here: Whoops...I guess you forgot to file this post under satire. Because you had to satirical when you wrote in regards to David Anderson: "That boy just ain't right." If you don't change the category, then I would have to assume that your use of the word "boy" which is pretty much commonly perceived as a racially charged word - depending on the circumstances - when directed at a black man wasn't satirical...but out-and-out racist. Posted by: Ron Brynaert at July 25, 2005 12:57 PM He is a racist Ron, and why people like Marty, who is Black, and who I respect a lot, does not get this, I dont know. Posted by: David Anderson at July 25, 2005 01:06 PM Post a comment
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