Thanks for the publicity. I totally appreciate it :)

P.S., for the record, my comments on MediaSoul have nothing to do with my business Mind & Media.

Just to clarify your misrepresentation.

And I think it should be noted that I have accepted you as a reviewer despite your religious leaning.

And I think it should be noted that I have accepted you as a reviewer despite your religious leaning.

If you think that's a good excuse to talk down to me, debase me or bully me in any way..you've got another thing coming, Stacy.

And if Mind and Media has nothing to do with MediaSoul..why use a very specific Mind and Media email to go after me?

The BS is piling up thick and heavy now.

Stacy is just another confused person who thinks Jesus was a Republican and preached hatred. Isn't it a shame that this is what the "Religious Right" offers us? Faux christians preaching hate, telling lies, and spreading a false gospel (especially since Jesus never said half of what they claim).

La Shawn Barber would be proud.

Carla,

I wasn't bullying you. Just making a factual statement. I accepted you as a reviewer despite your religious leaning. If you think that is demeaning then that's pretty sad.

I think it's showing tolerance.

And stating that Islam is a religion of terrorist is "tolerance?" Thats a new one on me, since none of the Muslims I know, and three of my best friends are Muslims, practice terrorism or even believe that the terrorist are muslims.

Wrong Stacy. You weren't making a factual statement. And when you were called on it..you lied to worm your way out of it.

You were right about one thing: you aren't bullying me. You're trying to bully me. I'm not allowing you to do it.

If you believe that your acceptance of me as a reviewer came with carte blanche for you to disdain me and dissrespect my beliefs...this is your wake up call.

carla, your biblical interpretations are correct. that is why stacy isn't addressing it. she knows she is wrong and is trying to make this about you and not what she said. which wasn't a joke. but even satan believes in jesus. that doesn't make him a christian just as stacy claiming she is one doesn't make her one. that is what jesus meant when he said we would know by the fruit of a tree whether it was a good tree or a bad tree.

Bad Carla. Stacy is so upset that you called her on her lies and smack talking that she is closing her blog.

http://mediasoul.typepad.com/mediasoul/2005/07/change_in_visio.html

LaughingJoe:

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Stacy is a mirror image of the Biblical Pharisees. I'm reasonably certain that if she saw Jesus for real in all the poverty and dust he's said to have lived in..she'd dismiss him as a homeless liberal. Right after she chided him for daring to disagree with her on her website.

You would like to think that you have that much power, but you don't. You are more than welcome to email me for the password and user name when I set it up.

Secondly, I don't believe I've ever mentioned anywhere that I thought Jesus was a Republican. So who is lying now?

Also, for the record, I am not a Republican, so your pigeonholing me incorrectly again.

And actually some of my best friends are liberal and for the record I served the homeless population for close to 15 years, so I don't think making fun of homeless people is very nice of you. I would expect more from you in fact.

I'm still waiting to find out why Carla has rejected the message of salvation and eternal life through Jesus, especially since you were blessed with being raised in a Christian home.

See, I didn't have that blessing. When you answer that, I'll answer your questions.

I'm waiting....and waiting...

You would like to think that you have that much power, but you don't. You are more than welcome to email me for the password and user name when I set it up.

Okay. I'll try to remember to do that.
And actually some of my best friends are liberal and for the record I served the homeless population for close to 15 years, so I don't think making fun of homeless people is very nice of you. I would expect more from you in fact.

Nice try, Stacy. Now you're just deflecting from your attempts to pigeonhole all Muslims as terrorists. Not to mention your defamation of me and my beliefs. You really have no shame, do you?

I'm still waiting to find out why Carla has rejected the message of salvation and eternal life through Jesus, especially since you were blessed with being raised in a Christian home.

Really? This is the first I've heard. You've never once asked me why I'm a Deist. You did ask me what Deism is...and as I said, I'll be more than happy to tell you all about it. Just as soon as you explain to me how I misinterpreted the gospels over at your blog.

I'm not going to let you coward your way out of that one.

It wasn't the crime that sank the Nixon administration, it was the coverup...

The Islam is not a religion of peace meme was/is intended to mislead. No amount of backpedalling will ever change that. There is no evidence suggesting that Islam is any more/less peaceful than say Christianity. Christians too have episodically suffered from dogmatic excess at the hands of selfrighteous zealots who subsequently inflicted brutal death on those whom they've despised...all in the name of the Saviour.

A case could be made, I suppose, that Christianity is a religion of pedophilia if one only looks at the actions of a few Catholic Priests or the Branch Davidians. But that would define Christians by a few troubled individuals who abused their power over others for a false sense of everlasting fulfillment, and that would be equally dishonest.

Stacy,

If Carla is anything at all like me, I can tell you why she "has rejected the message of salvation and eternal life through Jesus". The sterling example of hypocrisy and hate put off by some "christians" has caused me to decide that, if they do truly represent Christ, I'd rather go to Hell to avoid them.

Before you accuse me of being a Christian basher, I have also met a few who seem to genuinely care about people, and cause me to reconsider that opinion. Of course, I have met Muslims and Buddhists who care too, so maybe it's not a "religion" thing.

I am pretty much convinced that there are two fellows named Jesus, the liberal who cares about everyone, and General Jesus, who would say things like "Islam is not a religion of peace contrary to some reports. Pray for those ensnared in this false and deadly religion.", and start wars against these people instead of turning the other cheek.

nice comment, wliilam, if that is in fact your real name.

i don't understand where jesus number two comes from. don't most churches preach his teachings (forgiveness and charity being some of my evil-liberal favorites)? or do some churches make stuff up and pretend jesus said it?

jami,

No, that's not my name, that's a typo. This is my name.

I don't know where he comes from either, and I don't want to find out. In my life, I have walked some dark places, but that one is too much for me.

I have heard some of the rationalizing, and have tried to find the logic in it. The "render unto Caesar" one has always amused me. "When Jesus said that, it was with the understanding that everything was really God’s so we should give our taxes to God, and since Caesar was also God’s, by giving all our allegiance to Caesar, we were giving it to God!!?!#*%^?" So in an underhanded way, he was really telling us to give all our money to the Church, and blindly support the government. The only part I have trouble with is, according to the Bible I read as a child, the Christian version of Jesus didn’t tend to be underhanded.

The rest I know they made up. I’ve searched all through many versions of the Bible, and none of them talk about God being on the side of the United States of America, and george w bush wasn’t prophesied once.

WB you wrote:
The sterling example of hypocrisy and hate put off by some "christians" has caused me to decide that, if they do truly represent Christ, I'd rather go to Hell to avoid them.

My response:

I think this is sad, that you would give imperfect Christians, which would be all of us, the power to send you to an eternal hellfire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.

And if that's why you decide to not follow Christ, that's your right. Personally, I've seen enough hypocrisy in my life to turn my eyes away from the Church but then I realize and get my perspective right and know it's not about me, other Christians, but Jesus Himself. He's the perfect one. He's the One who saved me. He's the one who loves me. It's really about Him, and so He's my standard for either accepting or rejecting. I choose to accept what He did. And you have every right to choose hell if you'd like. I'd urge you to reconsider that, but then again it's your choice. Eternity is something I wouldn't want to make the wrong choice about.

It seems like these two ladies started from different places and diverged from there. In the first place, Stacy stated that ?Islam is not a religion of peace contrary to some reports?. Although not diplomatic, I don?t think that it characterizes every Muslim as a terrorist.

Heroin is a dangerous drug. I imagine that for every skid-row junkie that steals to support his or her addiction are dozens of ?recreational? heroin users that live otherwise productive lives. Similarly, the text of the Quran is very unfavorable to unbelievers/infidels, encouraging the faithful to unwavering opposition, burning, dismembering, and killing of those unwilling to accept Islam (4:56; 5:33-34; 8:12-17; 8:39; 9:14, etc). The Islamic terrorists are those who take their religion and the teachings of the Quran seriously. If saying that heroin is a dangerous narcotic characterizes every heroin user as a thieving junkie, then I suppose that Stacy?s statement characterizes every Muslim (nominal or ?extreme?) as a terrorist.

The world could use more ?extremist? Christians; Not the crackpots that burn down abortion clinics or who think President Bush is the messiah ? but who take as seriously the teachings of Christ to ?love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you? (Luke 6:27).

Now deist, heathen, or otherwise, I think that whether or not Carla accepts the New Testament as authoritative, she can expect Stacy and other Christians to live ?by the book?. After all, it is the Christians who are claiming the authority of it over their own lives. Whether or not there was an infraction here on the first part of the ?discussion? is another issue ? which I cannot settle ? but, certainly, it?s perfectly reasonable to expect Christians to live by the teachings of Christ. Then again, I think that one of the tenants of Christianity is that we humans can?t follow God?s commands, which is why Jesus had to make atonement for our sins. ;-)

Now that these women have dug in their heels, I?m wondering if anyone really knows what the contention is. Seems like the defenses have been built up upon misunderstanding of misunderstandings and characterizations thereof. The lesson that I?m taking from all of this? Make sure that I completely understand what the other person is saying, and only then, proceed to beat up their opinions beyond recognition. ;-)

Flame on!

Stacy,

It's nice of you to spread your christian love to cover a fag-loving, baby-murdering, tax-and-spend, (whatever else you want to call me), liberal like me. I appreciate that.

Mr K,

Bake a nice cherry pie with what you picked from the Quran. I'll base my opinion on how friends of mine who are devout, non-extremist muslims live.

You are right about is needing more Christians "who take as seriously the teachings of Christ". I just don't see this in statements like the one being discussed here.

William, how did your comments answer anything I said?

You totally lost me.

To tell you the truth Stacy, it's a stock answer I give to christians who talk a good christian game, but walk a hateful path.

Did you say "Islam is not a religion of peace contrary to some reports. Pray for those ensnared in this false and deadly religion."? That was hateful.

If you think their interpretation of God's word is wrong, you are entitled to that opinion. Keep in mind though, that you are one of those imperfect human beings that you mentioned, and your opinion is not God's plan! You have learned your religion from other fallible human beings, some of who may have lied to you about God's plan!

I am willing to conceder the possibility that the Muslim faith may be part of God's plan, and offer my hand in friendship to any Muslim. Which of us is being more Christian, me with my open hand or you with your comments about "false and deadly" religions?

I lost faith a long time ago, fed up with all the hypocrisy and hatred. In those years, I continued to drift further and further away, until a MUSLIM reminded me that God cares about me. Not Allah, GOD. He gave me a Quran as a gift, and never once tried to ram it down my throat as christians do today.

If there is a God, I don't think I will find him in a church. I will probably find him in the hearts of people of any, or even no, religions who genuinely care about their fellow human beings. The one thing I will not do is look for him in the lies of men. ""Islam is not a religion of peace" is one of those lies, because my friend Rami believes in a religion of peace.

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